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		<title>By: On The Life and Times of Young Social Media &#171; BlogCampaigning</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>On The Life and Times of Young Social Media &#171; BlogCampaigning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reflecting on that and the whole brouhaha surrounding Chris&#8217; post about Crayon and I&#8217;m reminded about a few posts I wrote a few weeks ago that were fairly critical of both Shel Holtz and MyRagan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reflecting on that and the whole brouhaha surrounding Chris&#8217; post about Crayon and I&#8217;m reminded about a few posts I wrote a few weeks ago that were fairly critical of both Shel Holtz and MyRagan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: parkernow</title>
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		<dc:creator>parkernow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for everyone&#039;s comments and for joining in on the so-called &quot;conversation&quot;

-Parker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for everyone&#8217;s comments and for joining in on the so-called &#8220;conversation&#8221;</p>
<p>-Parker</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard is correct that we should be more specific in the e-mail we send to members every Monday. It should perhaps indicate somewhere that the teasers in the e-mail--including this week&#039;s teaser about Parker&#039;s blog--can all be found on the MyRagan homepage, also known as the What&#039;s Hot page.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Michael Sebastian
MyRagan managing editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard is correct that we should be more specific in the e-mail we send to members every Monday. It should perhaps indicate somewhere that the teasers in the e-mail&#8211;including this week&#8217;s teaser about Parker&#8217;s blog&#8211;can all be found on the MyRagan homepage, also known as the What&#8217;s Hot page.</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing it to our attention.</p>
<p>Michael Sebastian<br />
MyRagan managing editor</p>
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		<title>By: MyRagan 1, Parker 0 &#171; BlogCampaigning</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>MyRagan 1, Parker 0 &#171; BlogCampaigning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you want to read through all the comments that I received, take a look at these two posts of mine (first one, second one). Some of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you want to read through all the comments that I received, take a look at these two posts of mine (first one, second one). Some of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Becker</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Parker,

The ideas are not bad over there as much as the execution and attitude. I&#039;ve seen a few niche social networks work well (just not one that seems to resonate with communication-related professionals). Social niche networks rely on leadership more than platforms.

If there is a challenge with MyRagan, it&#039;s in the presentation of their own material and the lack of content leadership (as opposed to content management). For example, today&#039;s e-mail read:

&quot;We hope all of you in the Northern Hemisphere enjoyed an easy breezy summer weekend. Last week, a blogger said MyRagan “won’t even make its first birthday.” Ouch. Well, we will invite that blogger to MyRagan’s first birthday party. Log on to MyRagan to see his post and read how MyRagan members are responding. (Here’s a hint: They disagree with the blogger’s assertion.)&quot;

The teaser was nowhere to be found. So I turned to the Ragan videos. Yikes! So I checked my IABC group (no new messages since Aug. 7). But what was this e-mail really? Transparency? Leadership? Or an invitation to flame a member. Right. An embarrassment to the profession.

You&#039;re not far off. All my best,
Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Parker,</p>
<p>The ideas are not bad over there as much as the execution and attitude. I&#8217;ve seen a few niche social networks work well (just not one that seems to resonate with communication-related professionals). Social niche networks rely on leadership more than platforms.</p>
<p>If there is a challenge with MyRagan, it&#8217;s in the presentation of their own material and the lack of content leadership (as opposed to content management). For example, today&#8217;s e-mail read:</p>
<p>&#8220;We hope all of you in the Northern Hemisphere enjoyed an easy breezy summer weekend. Last week, a blogger said MyRagan “won’t even make its first birthday.” Ouch. Well, we will invite that blogger to MyRagan’s first birthday party. Log on to MyRagan to see his post and read how MyRagan members are responding. (Here’s a hint: They disagree with the blogger’s assertion.)&#8221;</p>
<p>The teaser was nowhere to be found. So I turned to the Ragan videos. Yikes! So I checked my IABC group (no new messages since Aug. 7). But what was this e-mail really? Transparency? Leadership? Or an invitation to flame a member. Right. An embarrassment to the profession.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not far off. All my best,<br />
Rich</p>
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		<title>By: marc  wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc  wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last June we were running a conference in association with Ragan Communications in London&#039;s Docklands.  Shel Holtz along with Mark Ragan and other Ragan regulars like Steve Crescenzo were there presenting.  In the evening we had a party to help publicise membership to the IABC Chapter in London.  I posted an invitation on myragan to invite people along to network. At the time we had just 100 members in the BritComm group of myragan.  70 responded and 30 actually turned up.
I don&#039;t think an invite on Facebook would have had the same impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last June we were running a conference in association with Ragan Communications in London&#8217;s Docklands.  Shel Holtz along with Mark Ragan and other Ragan regulars like Steve Crescenzo were there presenting.  In the evening we had a party to help publicise membership to the IABC Chapter in London.  I posted an invitation on myragan to invite people along to network. At the time we had just 100 members in the BritComm group of myragan.  70 responded and 30 actually turned up.<br />
I don&#8217;t think an invite on Facebook would have had the same impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Network Sluts &#171; BlogCampaigning</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Network Sluts &#171; BlogCampaigning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9th, 2007   As part of the recent debate that Shel Holtz and I had in the comments section of an earlier post I had made, Holtz provided me with this link to an article about how users of social networks have little or no [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9th, 2007   As part of the recent debate that Shel Holtz and I had in the comments section of an earlier post I had made, Holtz provided me with this link to an article about how users of social networks have little or no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shel Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may find this interesting:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2017224.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may find this interesting:<br />
<a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2017224.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2017224.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shel Holtz</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Shel Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parker:

I have maintained the value of traditional press releases in the face of social media enthusiasts who insist that a company need to nothing more than blog their news. Trust me; I am not a gushing fan of every social media tool or resource that comes down the pike. I look at each from a strategic point of view and in the context of the overall communication environment. That is, I work hard to be objective.

As for MyRagan (or Melcrum&#039;s Communicator&#039;s Network or other niche networks within other professions), I think you may be dismissing the idea too quickly. Yes, Facebook is a larger and has more features. But consider this: Why should anybody join a professional association when they can simply go to a park or a sporting event where tens of thousands of people have gathered? Surely there are some communicators among them and, if they hold up a sign, can probably form some groups.

The fact is that a dedicated group can attract more people and inspire some more focused discussions. As I noted, I spend considerably more time on Facebook than MyRagan, yet I am always impressed by the level of conversation going on there. Meanwhile, most Facebook groups I&#039;ve joined have little activity. The focus on the profession adds some value, just as joining a professional association does.

Again, I&#039;m reserving judgement; I am not convinced that niche social networks will be effective in the long run. But I&#039;m not yet convinced they won&#039;t, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker:</p>
<p>I have maintained the value of traditional press releases in the face of social media enthusiasts who insist that a company need to nothing more than blog their news. Trust me; I am not a gushing fan of every social media tool or resource that comes down the pike. I look at each from a strategic point of view and in the context of the overall communication environment. That is, I work hard to be objective.</p>
<p>As for MyRagan (or Melcrum&#8217;s Communicator&#8217;s Network or other niche networks within other professions), I think you may be dismissing the idea too quickly. Yes, Facebook is a larger and has more features. But consider this: Why should anybody join a professional association when they can simply go to a park or a sporting event where tens of thousands of people have gathered? Surely there are some communicators among them and, if they hold up a sign, can probably form some groups.</p>
<p>The fact is that a dedicated group can attract more people and inspire some more focused discussions. As I noted, I spend considerably more time on Facebook than MyRagan, yet I am always impressed by the level of conversation going on there. Meanwhile, most Facebook groups I&#8217;ve joined have little activity. The focus on the profession adds some value, just as joining a professional association does.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m reserving judgement; I am not convinced that niche social networks will be effective in the long run. But I&#8217;m not yet convinced they won&#8217;t, either.</p>
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		<title>By: parkernow</title>
		<link>http://blogcampaigning.com/2007/08/blog-hard-and-blow-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>parkernow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shel,

Alright, at least we can agree on the fact that niche social networks might not be the greatest solution. However, I find it much more easy to dismiss the number of communicators that are on MyRagan. How many of them are still active in that community? I&#039;m sure that you&#039;ll find that a great deal of them eagerly joined in the early days as a way of exploring and finding out what&#039;s new. Rather than than the number of  total members, I&#039;m much more interested in the number of members who contribute content (or at the very least log-in) at least once a week.

The fact that it is difficult to find communications-related media on YouTube probably has more to do with the searching ability on the site rather than a lack of available titles. Again, I&#039;m sure that an easier solution can be had by way of dedicated Facebook-groups. Even using the existing MyRagan community (though I shudder at the thought) would probably be a better solution than creating a new site.

At the end of the day, I still feel that we need more objectivity and criticism about social media.

-Parker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shel,</p>
<p>Alright, at least we can agree on the fact that niche social networks might not be the greatest solution. However, I find it much more easy to dismiss the number of communicators that are on MyRagan. How many of them are still active in that community? I&#8217;m sure that you&#8217;ll find that a great deal of them eagerly joined in the early days as a way of exploring and finding out what&#8217;s new. Rather than than the number of  total members, I&#8217;m much more interested in the number of members who contribute content (or at the very least log-in) at least once a week.</p>
<p>The fact that it is difficult to find communications-related media on YouTube probably has more to do with the searching ability on the site rather than a lack of available titles. Again, I&#8217;m sure that an easier solution can be had by way of dedicated Facebook-groups. Even using the existing MyRagan community (though I shudder at the thought) would probably be a better solution than creating a new site.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I still feel that we need more objectivity and criticism about social media.</p>
<p>-Parker</p>
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